Quotes

Spurgeon- I cannot imagine a more ready instrument in the hands of Satan for the ruin of souls than a minister who tells sinners that it is not their duty to repent of their sins or to believe in Christ, and who has the arrogance to call himself a gospel minister, while he teaches that God hates some men infinitely and unchangeably for no reason whatsoever but simple because he chooses to do so. - New Park Street Pulpit - Vol 6, 28-29


Sproul- If some people are not elected unto salvation then it would seem that God is not at all that loving toward them. - Chosen, pg.32

Two Conflicting Wills Part2

Calvinists have a problem. According to the theory of Calvinsim, God has two wills in conflict : one will desiring for mankind to repent and be saved, and the other for most of mankind to perish in Hell. There are some issues with this attempt to harmonize a faulty theory and plain Scripture.

Number one- Eph 1:11 b- a favorite verse used by Calvinists-being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: So which will does God work out? Nowhere does Scripture say God has two wills that conflict. Once again Calvinists have no Scripture to support their claims. We are just to take their word on it.

Number two- James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Would not God be doubleminded if He has two wills that contridict each other?

John MacArthur said this in his study Bible: " Ultimately, God's choices are determinded by His sovereign, eternal, purpose, not His desires." So God can have "desires" that are contrary to His sovereign, eternal purpose? God double minded? Inconceivable!

Dave Hunt summed it up nicely with this in his book What Love Is This : The Calvinist is caught in the horns of a dilemma. How can he maintain the position that God decrees and causes all, and yet exonerate God for the wickedness and eternal punishment of the vast majority of mankind? He falls back on the theory that God really doesn't want this state of affairs, and yet His eternal purpose and His decrees demand it. What a contradiction!

John 6:44 part 2

The following is a quote from Dave Hunt's book What Love is This:

Read the entire text again carfully (John 6:35-65). Christ does not say that all whom the Father draws, but all whom He gives to the Son, will come to Him, and He will lose none of them whom the Father gives Him.

He doesn't say that everyone whom the Father draws actually comes to the Son and is saved.

Christ's statement is clear that not everyone who is drawn, but "everyone which seeth the Son, and believeth on him may have everlasting life...

John 6:44

Let me out it out there for anyone interested- John 6:44. We have played with this verse some in the past, but I thought it interesting to bring it up again. What does this verse say? What does it not say? What are the thoughts out there? Please stick with this verse or those in the context. I will read and respond by midweek. Remember the main verse, please.

More Quotes

John Calvin-
Augustine is so wholly with me, that if I wished to write a confession of my faith, I could do so with all fulness and satisfaction to myself out of his writings. A Treatise on the Eternal Predestination of God

God less benevolent?

Spurgeon raised an interesting point- As it is my wish that it should be so, as it is your wish that it might be so, so it is God's wish that all men should be saved; for, assuredly, he is not less benevolent than we are. http://www.apibs.org/chs/1516.htm

The question to any Calvinist out there is this- Is it God’s wish that all mankind be saved? Simple enough.

Can anyone answer these questions?

More questions unanswered by Calvinist. Hear they are-
1. What did John Calvin trace his conversion too?
2. Do you agree with Calvin that infant baptism is good and right?